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Pleikki · Mar 07, 2008, 05:16 AM // 05:16

Nice skill updates

Master Ketsu · Mar 07, 2008, 05:26 AM // 05:26

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Originally Posted by street peddler

lol, learn to prevail against a skill that prevents you from doing anything.

Holy veil cannot protect you from everything.

Dr Strangelove · Mar 07, 2008, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Lions comfort seams completely useless now, shields up and watchyourself also nerfed again...

Why the war hate?

Wars have so many skills that need buffs, and you choose to buff a hammer attack nobody should ever use and nerf skills people do use...

Shields up and WY! aren't warrior skills, they're paragon skills.

Lion's comfort was buffed.

Wail is nasty, for sure, but remember that it's replacing crap like shroud of silence which was even nastier. I'm so very happy that skill is finally dead.

ManMadeGod · Mar 07, 2008, 06:05 AM // 06:05

necro will be viable in gvg now.
sin nerf hurts a bit.

arcanemacabre · Mar 07, 2008, 06:15 AM // 06:15

WY! nerf was a bit overkill, agreed with that. Then again, I rarely ever use it, so it affects me not. Plus, Shields Up is looking really nice now - going to be a staple skill for the Charr territory with all them r-spike groups. The rest of the update seemed... necessary, I guess. Some of it is making my mouth water, such as Weaken Armor and Enfeeble buffs. Gonna have to go try this out when I get home! Whee!

(I love skill changes, can you tell?)

Buzzer · Mar 07, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by street peddler

lol, learn to prevail against a skill that prevents you from doing anything.

Are you serious? Do you know how veil works?

As it stands now, Shroud of Silence is worse than pretty much any regular knockdown skill. It is garbage.

Grammar · Mar 07, 2008, 06:43 AM // 06:43

For their next update, why doesn't Anet just do this:

"Watch Yourself!": Removed from the game because we hate it.

Seriously, all the WY! rape going on over at Anet's offices is getting pretty ridiculous. Why not just put it out of its misery and mercifully remove it from the game?

Some other notes:
- Lions Comfort is actually good now, dual purpose heal & adren engine ftw!
- Tactics is officially dead, thanks to Lions Comfort buff and more WY! rape.
- Rodgort's Invocation nerf was needed, Mind Blast nerf was not.
- If you though Necros were overpowered before.....

slowerpoke · Mar 07, 2008, 06:46 AM // 06:46

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Originally Posted by Grammar

"Watch Yourself!": Removed from the game because we hate it.

Remove paragons
Nothing of value was lost

arcanemacabre · Mar 07, 2008, 06:54 AM // 06:54

I never really liked the idea of nerfing a skill simply because a different class can abuse it. I have the perfect change - make WY! a vanilla skill. In other words, it would work exactly the same as it did before, but wouldn't count as a shout. That way Warriors can still use it, and Paragons can't abuse it. Anything wrong with that idea?

slowerpoke · Mar 07, 2008, 07:01 AM // 07:01

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

I never really liked the idea of nerfing a skill simply because a different class can abuse it. I have the perfect change - make WY! a vanilla skill. In other words, it would work exactly the same as it did before, but wouldn't count as a shout. That way Warriors can still use it, and Paragons can't abuse it. Anything wrong with that idea?

Leadership
"You gain 1 Energy for each ally affected by one of your Paragon attributed Shouts or Chants (maximum 1 Energy for every 2 ranks)."

Racthoh · Mar 07, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

Leadership should be half the energy return on adrenaline shouts and chants, and only up to half the energy used for energy shouts/chants. At least make paragons think about skill usage and managing energy instead of mashing everything on recharge.

arcanemacabre · Mar 07, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

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Originally Posted by slowerpoke

Leadership
"You gain 1 Energy for each ally affected by one of your Paragon attributed Shouts or Chants (maximum 1 Energy for every 2 ranks)."

Sounds good to me!

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Leadership should be half the energy return on adrenaline shouts and chants, and only up to half the energy returned for energy shouts/chants. At least make paragons think about skill usage and managing energy instead of mashing everything on recharge.

That could work, too, but only if they overhauled some of the energy and adrenaline costs of most of the Gon shouts and chants. That would bring many of those skills to a level that many other classes could use them a little more effectively, too. /P might become a bit more viable, then.

shadows of hob · Mar 07, 2008, 07:51 AM // 07:51

O.o, very interesting update....
Some skills got nerfed in oblivion again and guess who got the buffs? The already overpowered necro.

Wail of doom might be lolz to play with.

Good to see the r/d build got nerfed a bit.. facing the same teambuild in uw, fetid, burial, relics, shrines and the gates is easy fame, but also really boring.

Shame nearly all decent non-attack skills of the sin got nerfed, what are they supposed to do now?

Good to see those changes to gole and the wards, but nerfing AND mind blast AND rodgorts AND flame djins...

SerenitySilverstar · Mar 07, 2008, 08:00 AM // 08:00

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

I never really liked the idea of nerfing a skill simply because a different class can abuse it. I have the perfect change - make WY! a vanilla skill. In other words, it would work exactly the same as it did before, but wouldn't count as a shout. That way Warriors can still use it, and Paragons can't abuse it. Anything wrong with that idea?

Or perhaps put it into the Strength line, and revert it?

I really REALLY want my WY back, because I use it lots on my PvE warrior.

Necrotic · Mar 07, 2008, 08:05 AM // 08:05

Mine uses it too....not often but enough to notice. I just gave some help to a newbie warrior just before the update to equip the skill. Wonder what they think of me now....

RyXXed · Mar 07, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

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Originally Posted by Grammar

- Tactics is officially dead, thanks to Lions Comfort buff

It's been dead for quite some time now..

yesitsrob · Mar 07, 2008, 08:15 AM // 08:15

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Originally Posted by Masao

Yeah, because they definitely want to keep that 1% of their players happy.

You're actually wrong, in general, but in GW it's a fact that PvP takes precedence over PvE. ANet is a black sheep.

Maybe, the skill balances that happen barely hurt PVE players they just bitch about them anyway. Last I PVE'd (not that long ago) there were ridiculously overpowered PVE skills and the AI was dumb. An increased recharge on a Melee Ward for example would have hardly made it harder.

zwei2stein · Mar 07, 2008, 08:16 AM // 08:16

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Why bring "Watch Yourself!" when you could bring "Save Yourselves!"?

Because not everyone who PvEs is W or P? Wandspike casters do not cut it. (Besides, SY! is evil, mkkay?)

Heroes with WY! were quite good (and balanced) replacement.

N1ghtstalker · Mar 07, 2008, 08:33 AM // 08:33

i think i'll play necro some more in PvP
[skill]wail of doom[/skill] here i come!

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 07, 2008, 08:46 AM // 08:46

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

Holy veil cannot protect you from everything.

That, and I heard cover hexes own? (couldn't be bothered to find the original person)

Lots of changes but as usual only a few actually matter. Recharge on Guardian makes me sad